最近吧里对18悟空的实力又开始了热烈讨论，在此我把作者设定和小说内容发出来。请勿插楼，O(∩_∩)O谢谢

在英文评论区278页和802页作者明确表示过他认为超级赛亚人不仅仅是个倍数，而是一个巨大的实力等级差距，也就是说乱战作者认为根本没有什么倍数，至于小说45章提到的贝吉特超三是超二的10倍，我个人认为那仅仅是实力的差距，并不能将其作为倍数。作者也明确表示过，这种设定也就意味着例如超一悟空无论如何修炼也无法打败超二贝吉塔，超二贝吉塔无论如何修炼也无法打败超三悟空。这个例子在英文评论区278页。

下面是作者给的实力设定表：
SSJ2 Tier: Goku SSJ2, Vegeta SSJ2, Vegeta M SSJ2, Young Gohan SSJ2, Perfect Cell (DBZ)
SSJ3 Tier: Goku SSJ3 (DBZ), Kid Buu, Super Buu, Base DBZ Vegetto, Young Gotenks SSJ3 (DBZ)
In-between: Mystic Gohan, base Vegetto, Son Bra SSJ1(?)
SSJ"4" Tier: Buu-Gotenks, Buu-Gohan
SSJ"5" Tier: SSJ1 Vegetto, SSJ2 Son Bra
SSJ"6" Tier: SSJ2 Vegetto, Broly at the end of his fight, Buu U4

在小说42章里，悟空看见超一贝吉特和布罗利开打，表示这场比赛实在太恐怖了，就算是超一贝吉特也远远超过自己的超三。
在小说102章里，悟空看见贝吉特被XXI淘汰之后说，虽然自己在这20年里刻苦修炼，但从来就没有想象过自己可以达到当年对抗悟饭布欧时的超一贝吉特的实力水平。（这部分存疑，因为我是用谷歌翻译将法文小说翻译成英文看的）

在小说48章里，悟饭和孙布拉前去帮助贝吉特阻止布欧吸收布罗利时提到，悟饭这些年来力量没有丝毫提升。再加上超级布欧曾经在139页评价过悟饭实力不减当年，所以我个人认为悟饭实力就是当年的实力。

在小说58章里，当孙布拉被赞加激怒而变身为超级赛亚人时，悟空评价她的变身比自己、悟饭和贝吉塔的超一更强。

暂时就想到这么多，欢迎大家讨论。

那我把以前那贴取消精品咯

Babidi, Dabra and Buu are from universe 11, as you know. Buu and Dabra are challengers. No, there is no Majin Vegeta, sorry.
The other Buu comes from universe 4. He is very different from the one we know, because he absorbed many people, and Buu is strongly influenced by them.
巴比迪，达布拉和布欧来自11宇宙，就像你们所知道的那样，布欧和达布拉是参赛者。不，没有魔人贝吉塔。
另外一个布欧来自4宇宙，他和我们所知的布欧有很大不同，因为他吸收了很多人，布欧会被所吸收的人强烈影响。
英文区70页

按乱战的设定。我发现一个细节，不知道是否可以作为实力的佐证，贝吉特提到过当他还是孙悟空的时候，超三可以维持10分钟-20分钟，暂且取中位数，15分钟吧，也就是900秒，而贝吉特超三只能维持10秒，符合贝吉特所说的，他的超三实力大概是悟空超三的100倍。而童年悟天克斯超三能维持5分钟，是否能用这个推论，推论出童年悟天克斯超三是悟空超三的3倍？毕竟悟天克斯超三强于大布欧，而悟空认为自己的超三对于大布欧毫无胜算。贝吉特还说悟天克斯随着年龄增长，实力还是增强了，而其超三状态随着实力增强也下降为只能维持2分钟，按这个推算，是否可以说成年超三悟天克斯实力有超三贝吉特的1/12？如果不是因为两个人的2逼性格，这战斗力也是相当可观的

LSSJ Bra.
Bra isn*t the legendary Saiyan, nor has the legendary powers
孙布拉不是传超
英文区278页

读者：is it possible to give us some details about the villians that we already know?
作者：There is only one Freeza. I haven*t decided is past in details, but he surely never saw a SSJ Goku.
读者：能说一些我们已知的反派的资料吗？
作者：我只能告诉你弗利沙，细节我还没想好，但他肯定没见过超赛悟空。
英文区108页

For universe 11, there are simply many possibilities, where Babidi came on a Earth empty of saiyens, took the energy of all the humans, and got his Buu out. I don*t think he ever met the Z-team.
11宇宙的巴比迪可能到达了一个没有赛亚人的地球，收集了全人类的能量复活了布欧，我不认为巴比迪遇到了Z战士
英文区108页

68章，悟空：“告诉我，比克。如果沙鲁现在还是当年的水平，他的小沙鲁也是，现在的你能击败他吗？”比克：“自从那时起我进步了很多，希望能够赶上沙鲁的水平，但是失败了。不过我现在应该可以击败一个小沙鲁。”
69章，贝吉塔说小沙鲁比当年自爆归来的闪沙更强。

In U3, Freeza died between reduction form 3 and 2. He arrives in original form, so Frost demons appear in original form. So Cold can*t appear in reduction form 2.
I didn*t intend to correct it at first, but Asura was very efficient :)
If original Cold is about #16 power, then a SSJ2 would indeed still destroy him easily, so it doesn*t change much his death scene.
Ghost Freeza was able to go to augmentation form 1, because, we can say, he is now controlled by Raichi and is more calm, more efficient. But that doesn*t mean Raichi can upgrade everybody. Especially saiyans. I*m still a believer of SSJ being VERY HARD to acquire. Except if half-human.
Noozay, Goku may be a fighting genius, but Kakarotto is different. Even U3 Kakarotto and U13 Kakarotto are VERY different.
英文区899页
在3宇宙里，弗利沙在从第三限制形态从第二限制形态转变的时候死了，他现在以原始形态出现。所以冰冻恶魔组都应该是以原始形态出现，格尔多以第二限制形态出现是个错误。
我一开始没发现，但是Asura很有效率。
就算格尔多的原始形态有16号那么强，对于超二来说杀死格尔多还是轻而易举，所以格尔多的死亡画面没什么改变。
亡灵弗利沙可以变成增强型态1，因为他现在被莱基控制，更加冷静，攻击更加有效。但这并不意味着莱基可以提升每一个人。尤其是赛亚人，我仍然相信超级赛亚人是很难获得的。除了混血赛亚人。
不过，悟空有战斗天赋，但是卡卡罗特不同，就算是3宇宙的卡卡罗特和13宇宙的卡卡罗特也不相同。

To make it clear: the ghosts have the same power as the originals.
They are said to be stronger by Raichi on page 890, because they have none of their own inhibitions or mental weaknesses as before.
英文区902页
澄清一下，亡灵战士和原身拥有相同的力量。莱基在890页说他们比原身更厉害，那是因为这些亡灵战士已经没有了以前自身的弱点或精神上的缺陷。

Use of SSJ3:
Goku used this transformation not to stop Baddack, but to stop the ki ball itself. He did so also in a way to keep all his friends around safe, by putting enough energy to absorb the impact himself instead of letting destruction comes on the sides. In order to to that, you need to use more power than the attack itself.
So there is no rule break here, Goku just acted as a wall. As it*s on his balcony, it will be accepted.
I agree that a lesser transformation would have been enough, but for such a quick action, it*s more efficient to just use your maximum power. Goku didn*t take the time to see what was the power level of the attack and transform in an adequate manner. He masters SSJ3 well and needs it for a second. There is no reason to try lower.
And rule of cool.
> U19 special
Way down in the list of priorities. But you will learn more about them in the next flash back.
> Super Saiyan God
Non-canon in DBM.
> (did salagir forget his own idea of that ssj3 isn*t something that can be mastered, because the stronger you are the shorter it lasts?)
It doesn*t last long, but it*s usable. Goku does master it, but don*t intend to use it for hours.
Another hint was given about this: Vegeta while they were protecting themselves against Buu. Vegeta says he can go on in SSJ2 for hours. That is true and that*s not possible in SSJ3.
英文区809页
超三的使用：
悟空用超三阻挡的不是巴达克，而是能量球本身。通过释放足够的能量来吸收能量球而不是等它造成破坏，他这样做也是为了保证周围朋友们的安全。因此你需要比攻击本身更多的能量。所以这里没有破坏规则，悟空就像一堵墙。这是他的席位，这可以接受。
我同意低一阶的变身足够了，但是在这一瞬间，更有效的作法是使用你的全力。悟空没时间去判断攻击的等级，所以需要高等级变身。
他对超三掌握的很好，只要一秒就可以变身。他没理由使用低等级变身。
And rule of cool（企鹅：我不知道作者这句话什么意思）
19宇宙特别篇：
在计划表里的优先级不高，不过你在下一个闪回里会更了解他们。
超级赛亚人之神：
DBM里没出现。
读者：难道Salagir忘记了自己关于超三不能被掌握，因为力量越强维持时间越短的想法了吗？
Salagir：时间并不长，但是有效。悟空可以掌握它，但不可能用好几个小时。另一个线索也暗示了这点，贝吉塔说自己可以保持好几个小时的超二。这是真的，但是超三绝不可能。

Does that mean Vegetto SSJ3 can beat Buu U4? Not clearly. SSJ3 takes all of Vegetto*s energy very fast, and Buu still is the most difficult thing to kill in the universe. And if Buu isn*t killed, he isn*t beaten.
英文区278页
（这是接在实力设定表之后的一段）这是不是意味着超三贝吉特可以击败4布欧？不清楚，超三迅速消耗了贝吉特的所有力量，布欧还是宇宙中最难杀死的生物，如果不能杀死布欧，那就不能击败他。

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